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| === Four Generations: source of names and pride === | === Four Generations: source of names and pride === |
| | [[Hervey Morres, 1625-1724]] | m. | [[[[the_butler_family|Frances Butler]]| | | [[Hervey Morres, 1625-1724]] | m. | [[[[the_butler_family|Frances Butler]]| |
| | [[ Francis Morres]] (b. circa 1680) | m. 1706 | [[francis_morres|Catherine Evans]]| | | [[ Francis Morres]] (b. c.1680) | m. 1706 | [[francis_morres|Catherine Evans]]| |
| | [[ Redmond Morres]] (d. 1784) | m. 1740 | [[redmond_morres|Elizabeth Lodge]]| | | [[ Redmond Morres]] (1711((Patrick Prior's family tree))-1784) | m. 1740 | [[redmond_morres|Elizabeth Lodge]](1713-1806)((Patrick Prior's family tree))| |
| | [[Frances Morres]] (b. circa 1751) | m. 29 April 1772 | [[frances_morres|Andrew Murray-Prior]] (c.1747-95) TLM-P's great-grandfather|\\ | | [[Frances Morres]] (c.1751-1806((Patrick Prior's family tree))) | m. 29 April 1772 | [[frances_morres|Andrew Murray-Prior]] (c.1747-95) TLM-P's great-grandfather|\\ |
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| The Table above summarises the connection between the Murray-Priors and the Morres/Lodge families.((Robert M-P, The Blood Royal of the Murray-Priors, pp. 11-12.)) It begins with Hervey Morres marrying Frances Butler: their great-granddaughter (another Frances) married Andrew M-P, TLM-P's great-grandfather. The Morres family tended to be successful, wealthy (Francis and Redmond, the second and third generation above, both married an [[heiress]]) and were public figures. The Morres family's use as role models for children increased from 1816 when Lodge Morres (brother of Frances M-P nee Morres) was awarded the title [[wp>Viscount_Frankfort_de_Montmorency|Viscount Frankfort de Montmorency]]. He choose de Montmorency because of what Burke's Peerage called a 'genuine but mistaken belief' that he was descended from the distinguished French family of that name.\\ | |
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| | The Table above summarises the connection between the Murray-Priors and the Morres/Lodge families.((Robert M-P, The Blood Royal of the Murray-Priors, pp. 11-12.)) It begins with Hervey Morres marrying Frances Butler: their great-granddaughter (another Frances) married Andrew M-P, TLM-P's great-grandfather. The Morres family tended to be successful, wealthy (Francis and Redmond, the second and third generation above, both married an [[heiress]]) and were public figures. The Morres family's use as role models for children increased from 1816 when Lodge Morres (brother of Frances M-P nee Morres) was awarded the title [[wp>Viscount_Frankfort_de_Montmorency|Viscount Frankfort de Montmorency]]. He choose de Montmorency because of what Burke's Peerage called a 'genuine but mistaken belief' that he was descended from the distinguished French family of that name. When visiting England in 1882, TLM-P visited T.L. de Montmorency at 78 Old Bond Street, London and the next day, again saw him as well as his son.(Diary, 27-28 August 1882)).\\ |
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| Generations of Murray-Priors drew on Andrew M-P's august in-laws when choosing names for their children. The second name of TLM-P, Andrew M-P's great-grandson, was Lodge while his uncle was [[Lodge Morres M-P.]] Many of TLM-P's children appear to be named after this family. Catherine and Elizabeth were popular names and also the second names of TLM-P’s step-sister Louisa; Lodge and Morres could be named after his uncle; but there appears no reason other than identification with the Morres family when three of TLM-P's sons were named Hervey, Redmond and (as a second name for Thomas) de Montmorenci (a variation of Montmorency). Louisa, TLM-P's step-sister, urged that de Montmorenci be the second name for another of his sons: this suggestion was vetoed by his second wife Nora as being 'too pretentious for the colonies".((Nora to Rosa, 20 February 1882))\\ | Generations of Murray-Priors drew on Andrew M-P's august in-laws when choosing names for their children. The second name of TLM-P, Andrew M-P's great-grandson, was Lodge while his uncle was [[Lodge Morres M-P.]] Many of TLM-P's children appear to be named after this family. Catherine and Elizabeth were popular names and also the second names of TLM-P’s step-sister Louisa; Lodge and Morres could be named after his uncle; but there appears no reason other than identification with the Morres family when three of TLM-P's sons were named Hervey, Redmond and (as a second name for Thomas) de Montmorenci (a variation of Montmorency). Louisa, TLM-P's step-sister, urged that de Montmorenci be the second name for another of his sons: this suggestion was vetoed by his second wife Nora as being 'too pretentious for the colonies".((Nora to Rosa, 20 February 1882))\\ |
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| TLM-P and Louisa M-P were not the only M-Ps to identify with the de Montmorencys - Swire Murray-Prior was from another branch of the family and his death notice, //Sydney Morning Herald//, 22 December 1993, p.35, gives his second name as 'de Montmorency'.((clipping courtesy Tom A. M-P.)) Swire was born in 1911 to Bertram A. and Ida L. M-P.((BDM)) As well, the British Army List for January-March 1866 refers to a Herbert de M. M-P who was a Cornet in the 1st (Kings) Dragoon Guards; the Army List for May 1869 shows that he sold out of the army when an Ensign with the rank of Lieutenant. In 1869, the army lists both Lieutenant Adrian de Montmorency Prior (in the Royal Artillery) and Brevet Colonel J. de M. M. Prior, late of the Dragoons.((Note that this information is from old notes of mine from the Public Record Office at Kew (England) and needs checking.)) \\ | TLM-P and Louisa M-P were not the only M-Ps to identify with the de Montmorencys - Swire Murray-Prior was from another branch of the family and his death notice, //Sydney Morning Herald//, 22 December 1993, p.35, gives his second name as 'de Montmorency'.((clipping courtesy Tom A. M-P.)) Swire was born in 1911 to Bertram A. and Ida L. M-P.((BDM))\\ |
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