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 ====== Thomas Bertram and Lizzie M-P ======
-Thomas Bertram, the 5th consecutive Thomas Murray-Prior, was born on 4 February 1883 at Moonbago Station, South Kennedy, Bully Creek, a station owned by his grandfather TLM-P.(('Questions to be answered by T.L.M-P’, 6pp Memoranda by the Herald Office, Somerset House, London re Burke’s Colonial Gentry; H. Mortimer Franklyn, //A glance at Australia in 1880// at [[https://play.google.com/books/reader?id=QgRLAQAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&output=reader&hl=en&pg=GBS.PR2]]. In contrast, //Fox's History of Queensland: Its People and Industries//, p.173, says he was 'born on "Bulliwallah" Station, Northern Queensland' [same?])) He was his parents' third child and only son.\\
+Thomas Bertram, the 5th consecutive Thomas Murray-Prior, was born on 4 February 1883 at Moonbago Station, South Kennedy, Bully Creek, a station owned by his grandfather TLM-P.(('Questions to be answered by T.L.M-P’, 6pp Memoranda by the Herald Office, Somerset House, London re Burke’s Colonial Gentry; H. Mortimer Franklyn, //A glance at Australia in 1880// at [[https://play.google.com/books/reader?id=QgRLAQAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&output=reader&hl=en&pg=GBS.PR2]]. In contrast, //Fox's History of Queensland: Its People and Industries//, p.173, says he was 'born on "Bulliwallah" Station, Northern Queensland' [same?])) He was Thomas de Montmorenci and Florence M-P's third child and only son.\\
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 {{:t_b_m-p_query.jpeg?250|}} Thomas B. M-P taken by professional photographer in Brisbane.((Provenance: T.A. & M.T. M-P))\\
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 {{:st_andrew_s_church_built_by_mps_built_1907.jpeg?300|}} Card featuring St Andrew's Church, Maroon - the M-Ps, presumabably Thomas B. M-P, were responsible for its erection in 1907.((Provenance: T.A. & M.T. M-P))\\
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-On 18 February 1911, Thomas B. M-P married a second cousin, Lizzie Kate (Dickie) Lightoller (29 October 1887—21 January 1949).((Qld marriage registration C887; Bernard Burke, //A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Colonial Gentry//, Melbourne: E.A. Petherick, 1891-95, p.50)) daughter of well-known Brisbane physician, Dr. Henry Lightoller. Dr Lightoller's grandmother was Rosa Haly (nee Harpur), Matilda M-P's sister.(([Thomas A. M-P], Murray-Prior Family, booklet, October 2014.)) There was either a printing error in the marriage notice , or she was also known as Elsie.((//The Sydney Morning Herald//, 8 April 1911, p.14.)) Thomas B. and Lizzie M-P gave their first born his grandfather's name, so we get a second **[[thomas_lodge_and_lillian_m-p|Thomas Lodge M-P]]**.(([Thomas A. M-P], Murray-Prior Family, booklet, October 2014.)) For Thomas and Lizzie's other children, Minnie Violet (Vi) M-P; Standish Haly M-P and Hugh Burnett M-P, click on [[other children]].\\
+On 18 February 1911, Thomas B. M-P married his second cousin, Lizzie Kate (Dickie) Lightoller (29 October 1887—21 January 1949).((Qld marriage registration C887; Bernard Burke, //A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Colonial Gentry//, Melbourne: E.A. Petherick, 1891-95, p.50)) daughter of well-known Brisbane physician, Dr. Henry Lightoller. Dr Lightoller's grandmother was Rosa Haly (nee Harpur), Matilda M-P's sister.(([Thomas A. M-P], Murray-Prior Family, booklet, October 2014.)) There was either a printing error in the marriage notice , or she was also known as Elsie.((//The Sydney Morning Herald//, 8 April 1911, p.14.)) \\
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+Thomas B. and Lizzie M-P gave their first born his grandfather's name, so we get a second **[[thomas_lodge_and_lillian_m-p|Thomas Lodge M-P]]**.(([Thomas A. M-P], Murray-Prior Family, booklet, October 2014.)) See the two sidebar entries for more about that Thomas Lodge, and his siblings Minnie (Vi), Standish and Hugh Burnett M-P.\\
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 {{:dickie_her_mother_mrs_lightoller_and_tlmp.jpeg?250|}} 'Dickie' M-P, her mother Maria Theresa (Minnie) Lightoller (nee Haly), and baby Thomas L. M-P\\ For more photos of the Lightollers, click on [[**Lightoller**]]\\
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-The Lightollers, Dr Henry and Minnie Lightoller, were family friends as well as relatives, though Nora M-P strongly disapproved of Dr Lightoller's attitude to pain relief in childbirth. He refused his wife Minnie chloroform until he needed to use instruments to birth the baby. Nora, as she wrote to Rosa Praed, considered '//Dr Lightoller is a staunch opponent of Chloroform tho' his chief argument against  it seems to be the cowardice of taking it which I think is a question for the sufferer to decide, and could not help telling him what I felt keenly, that were it a misfortune to which both sexes were liable chloroform would have been given long ago. He looked astounded at my venturing to discuss the subject, looking on it as becoming in a man and a doctor to lay down the law – for women ‘theirs is not to  reason why – theirs but to suffer and die - a view of the case against which I, as one of the suffering class. protest vehemently. He is a good little dogmatic man, skilful in his degree and he has the best wife that ever trod shoe leather - but I wish she would no be so submissive as regards chloroform//.’ Nora went on to say that Minnie told her '//that she had been 12 hours in the most fearful agony, at the end of which they had given her chloroform which had brought it on so they could use instruments//'. Nora's view was that she //'would want to know a very good reason why before I would suffer like that in deference to my husband's general principle and it stands to reason that she would recover better if she were not so long ill and in pain//'. She was indignant that Dr Lightoller had made Minnie promise not to expect chloroform unless it was necessary for him to use instruments.((Nora M-P to Rosa Praed, 3 April 1881, M-P papers, JOQ, OM81-71.)) The reasons for Dr Lightoller's reluctance to use chloroform may have been due to common religious view that women were ordained since Eve to give birth in pain, an/or due to concern for its safety. It was also in keeping with the general reluctance of Brisbane Hospital doctors to use anaesthetics even for amputations and other major surgery even years after its use was routine elsewhere.((John Tyrer, //History of the Brisbane Hospital and its affiliates. A pilgrim's progress//, Brisbane: Boolarong Publications, 1993, pp.61.))\\
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 It was probably Lizzie M-P who was one of the three trustees for the Maroon School of Arts after it was built in 1903-04: the Maroon booklet says "Mrs T.A. Murray-Prior', presumably a misprint for Mrs T.B M-P as Thomas B. M-P was one of the Presidents of the School of Arts. In the early twentieth century, the local settlers also played tennis on the court at Maroon homestead.(([H. Krause], //The Story of Maroon. A Souvenir Review of its History and Development 1827-1961//, Maroon Centenary Celebrations Committee, 1961, pp.38,39.))\\
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 {{:tbmp_at_birrilli.jpeg?250|}}{{:birrilli.jpeg?300|}}{{:birrilli_2.jpeg?300|}} Three views of Birrilli, home of Thomas B. and Lizzie M-P. The first indistinct photo is of Thomas B. M-P in the garden.((Provenance: Tom A. & T. M-P))\\
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-After selling Maroon, Thomas B., Lizzie and their children moved to [[wp>Southport,_Queensland|Southport]].((Standish M-P to Roy M-P, 27 November 1991)) By 1937, they had moved to 'Birrilli', Kensett Avenue, [[wp>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leura,_New_South_Wales|Leura]] in the Blue Mountains west of Sydney, perhaps as the climate was seen healthier for their eldest son (another Thomas of course) who had contracted polio. In 1937 Thomas B. was elected to the Leura Urban Committee.((//Nepean Times//, 9 December 1937, p.1.)) When Thomas and Lizzie's son Standish enlisted during World War II, he gave his father's address as 'Birrilli'. Thomas B. M-P died in circa 1948; his last address was Irish Harp Road (now Regency Road), Prospect, Adelaide, South Australia. Probate was granted to Stella Gilmore Prior, understood to be a nurse.((//Sydney Morning Herald//, 21 June 1948, p.5; Tom A. M-P, pers. com.)) It is believed that Stella later migrated to New Zealand, possibly with her and Thomas's child, who perhaps took the surname Murray-Prior or Prior. New Zealand papers reported visits to that country by Thomas B. and Lizzie on several occasions before and during World War I.((//Wanganui Chronicle//, 24 June 1909, p.2; //Nelson Evening Mail//, 28 March 1911, p.4; //Sun//, 15 March 1915, p.4.)) Thomas B. M-P stayed there, apparently for over a year, in 1935-36,((//New Zealand Herald//, 28 March 1935, p.6; //Otago Daily Times//, 1 April 1935, p.8; //Auckland Star//, 12 May 1936, p.4.)) then left for Vancouver.((//Otago Daily Times//, 18 May 1936, p.8.))
+After selling Maroon, Thomas B., Lizzie and their children moved to [[wp>Southport,_Queensland|Southport]].((Standish M-P to Roy M-P, 27 November 1991)) By 1937, they had moved to 'Birrilli', Kensett Avenue, [[wp>Leura,_New_South_Wales|Leura]] in the Blue Mountains west of Sydney, perhaps as the climate was seen healthier for their eldest son (another Thomas of course) who had contracted polio. In 1937 Thomas B. was elected to the Leura Urban Committee.((//Nepean Times//, 9 December 1937, p.1.)) When Thomas and Lizzie's son Standish enlisted during World War II, he gave his father's address as 'Birrilli'. Thomas B. M-P died in circa 1948; his last address was Irish Harp Road (now Regency Road), Prospect, Adelaide, South Australia. Probate was granted to Stella Gilmore Prior, understood to be a nurse.((//Sydney Morning Herald//, 21 June 1948, p.5; Tom A. M-P, pers. com.)) It is believed that Stella later migrated to New Zealand, possibly with her and Thomas's child, who perhaps took the surname Murray-Prior or Prior. \\
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+A search of the New Zealand papers reveals a mystery. There are reports of visits to that country by Thomas B. and his wife on several occasions before and during World War I.((//Wanganui Chronicle//, 24 June 1909, p.2; //Nelson Evening Mail//, 28 March 1911, p.4; //Sun//, 15 March 1915, p.4.)) Even odder are the reports that Thomas B. M-P stayed there, apparently for over a year, in 1935-36,((//New Zealand Herald//, 28 March 1935, p.6; //Otago Daily Times//, 1 April 1935, p.8; //Auckland Star//, 12 May 1936, p.4.)) then left for Vancouver.((//Otago Daily Times//, 18 May 1936, p.8.)) Was this another Thomas B. M-P, a misprint, or unexplained activity in New Zealand?