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 For TLM-P and at least one son and two grandsons, a core of their family identity was the belief that they were descended from powerful kings. We can't understand TLM-P without knowing about this belief, and its flaws. The first part of the section on [[edward_i_butler_morres_and_lodge_families|"Air castles"]] examines the belief but, sorry, we provide no basis for a claim on Buckingham Palace!\\ For TLM-P and at least one son and two grandsons, a core of their family identity was the belief that they were descended from powerful kings. We can't understand TLM-P without knowing about this belief, and its flaws. The first part of the section on [[edward_i_butler_morres_and_lodge_families|"Air castles"]] examines the belief but, sorry, we provide no basis for a claim on Buckingham Palace!\\
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-The next part traces the Prior part of the Murray-Prior family from the 13th to the 18th century. It is short on royalty, but big on drama. There are land grabs, winner-takes-all politics, riotous living, elopement, murder, blackmail, assassination, illegitimate babies, high-minded defence of Ireland, bankruptcy, religious conflict, key battles of the British army.... At the end of this period, on the initiative of the great Tom Prior, the Priors and Murrays combined to become the Murray-Priors, and soon after begin the long tradition of always naming the first-born son Thomas. After that we move to Australia with TLM-P's life and that of his descendants.\\+The next part traces the Prior part of the Murray-Prior family from the 13th to the 18th century. It is short on royalty, but big on drama. There are land grabs, winner-takes-all politics, riotous living, elopement, murder, blackmail, assassination, illegitimate babies, high-minded defence of Ireland, bankruptcy, religious conflict, key battles of the British army.... At the end of this period, on the initiative of the great Tom Prior, the Priors and Murrays combined to become the Murray-Priors, and soon after begin the long tradition of naming the first-born son Thomas. After that we move to Australia with TLM-P's life and that of his descendants.\\
  
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 One thing to remember is that multiple secondary sources don’t necessarily increase reliability as often one source is copied from the other without further checking with original sources (such as births, deaths and marriage registers, letters written at the time, photographs etc).((My impression is that the more recent family information/stories were taken from TLM-P's jottings; these appear the basis for his son Robert's pamphlet which in turn appears the basis for Thomas B. M-Ps.)) For the older sections, much of the information derives from Burke’s various books about lines of descent of families from royalty, the aristocracy, and the gentry. Noble descent was a serious matter at a time when hereditary titles had huge social, economic and political benefits. Certainly TLM-P had a copy of John & John B. Burke's //A Genealogical and Heraldic Dictionary of the Landed Gentry of Great Britain & Ireland: M to Z//, London: Henry Colburn Publisher, 1846. (with its entry ‘Prior of Essex, and of Rathdowney, Queen’s County'), adding his children by hand.((Provenance: Judith Godden)) He also prided himself on his ('Murray-Prior of Maroon') entry in Burke's //Colonial Gentry// even though many considered 'colonial' and 'gentry' a contradiction and that book's accuracy was, in historian Christine Wright's words,'much maligned then and since'.((Bernard Burke, //A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Colonial Gentry//,Melbourne: E.A. Petherick, 1891-1895; Christine Wright, //Wellington's Men in Australia: Peninsula war and the making of empire c.1820-40//, Houndsmills, England: Palgrave Macmillan, 2011, pp.48-49.)) Given all of Burke's books are fallible, please let us know if you find errors after checking with original records. A challenge to us all is to find out more, and see how much we can verify. The fun and interest lie in more than the bare details of people's lives, and this is where our sources are more unreliable – and some stories recorded by step-cousins Robert M-P and Thomas Bertram M-P, might be better called gossip. On the other hand, both were conservative men who took their family descent very seriously, and it is likely they wrote in good faith.\\ One thing to remember is that multiple secondary sources don’t necessarily increase reliability as often one source is copied from the other without further checking with original sources (such as births, deaths and marriage registers, letters written at the time, photographs etc).((My impression is that the more recent family information/stories were taken from TLM-P's jottings; these appear the basis for his son Robert's pamphlet which in turn appears the basis for Thomas B. M-Ps.)) For the older sections, much of the information derives from Burke’s various books about lines of descent of families from royalty, the aristocracy, and the gentry. Noble descent was a serious matter at a time when hereditary titles had huge social, economic and political benefits. Certainly TLM-P had a copy of John & John B. Burke's //A Genealogical and Heraldic Dictionary of the Landed Gentry of Great Britain & Ireland: M to Z//, London: Henry Colburn Publisher, 1846. (with its entry ‘Prior of Essex, and of Rathdowney, Queen’s County'), adding his children by hand.((Provenance: Judith Godden)) He also prided himself on his ('Murray-Prior of Maroon') entry in Burke's //Colonial Gentry// even though many considered 'colonial' and 'gentry' a contradiction and that book's accuracy was, in historian Christine Wright's words,'much maligned then and since'.((Bernard Burke, //A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Colonial Gentry//,Melbourne: E.A. Petherick, 1891-1895; Christine Wright, //Wellington's Men in Australia: Peninsula war and the making of empire c.1820-40//, Houndsmills, England: Palgrave Macmillan, 2011, pp.48-49.)) Given all of Burke's books are fallible, please let us know if you find errors after checking with original records. A challenge to us all is to find out more, and see how much we can verify. The fun and interest lie in more than the bare details of people's lives, and this is where our sources are more unreliable – and some stories recorded by step-cousins Robert M-P and Thomas Bertram M-P, might be better called gossip. On the other hand, both were conservative men who took their family descent very seriously, and it is likely they wrote in good faith.\\
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-This history is inherently patriarchal in that it reflects historical reality. We are tracing a family name primarily passed on through the eldest son (along with inheritance of land through [[wp>primogeniture|primogeniture]] - which was the legal principle for land inheritance in NSW until 1862.(((Rutherford, Jennifer, 'The After Silence of the Son/g', //The Australian Feminist Law Journal//, Vol. 33, December 201, pp.3-18.)) Even when the inheritance jumps to the female line (the more sober Murrays), it goes to the oldest son. There is also markedly less information about the women, especially the further back we go, but we will do all we can to do them justice. One feature of note is how many of the men married twice, with their first wife dying relatively young. We don't know if they all died due to childbirth, but we do know that childbirth before the mid-1900s was extremely dangerous, e.g. in England and Wales in the mid-1850s, for every 200 births, 1 mother died.((Irvine Loudon, 'Maternal Mortality 1880–1950. Some Regional and International Comparisons' //Social History of Medicine//, 1:2, August 1988, pp.183–228, https://doi.org/10.1093/shm/1.2.183))\\+Yes this history is inherently patriarchal. We are tracing a family name primarily passed on through the eldest son (along with inheritance of land through [[wp>primogeniture|primogeniture]] - which was the legal principle for land inheritance in NSW until 1862.((Rutherford, Jennifer, 'The After Silence of the Son/g', //The Australian Feminist Law Journal//, Vol. 33, December 201, pp.3-18.)) Even when the inheritance jumps to the female line (from the Priors to the more sober Murrays), it goes to the oldest son. There is also markedly less information about the women, especially the further back we go, but we do all we can to do them justice.\\
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-Another largely missing factor, particularly the further back we go, is the death of children. When the record gives the number of children, it usually refers just to //surviving// children - and sometimes, just the sons. Early childhood was even more dangerous than childbirth – e.g. in 1840s England, 1 in every 5 children died before their 5th birthday.((David Wright, //Sick Kids.// //The History of the Hospital for Sick Children//, University of Toronto Press, 2016, p.9.)) This history, as with other family histories, is haunted by the ghosts of innumerable child deaths, grieved for but unrecorded.\\ +One feature of note is how many of the men married twice, with their first wife dying relatively young. We don't know if they all died due to childbirth, but we do know that childbirth before the mid-1900s was extremely dangerous, e.g. in England and Wales in the mid-1850s, for every 200 births, 1 mother died.((Irvine Loudon, 'Maternal Mortality 1880–1950. Some Regional and International Comparisons' //Social History of Medicine//, 1:2, August 1988, pp.183–228, https://doi.org/10.1093/shm/1.2.183))\\ 
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 +Another largely missing factor, particularly the further back we go, is the death of children. When the record gives the number of children, it usually refers just to //surviving// children - and sometimes, just the sons. Early childhood was even more dangerous than childbirth – e.g. in 1840s England, 1 in every 5 children died before their 5th birthday.((David Wright, //Sick Kids.// //The History of the Hospital for Sick Children//, University of Toronto Press, 2016, p.9.)) As well, miscarriages and stillbirths were usually not recorded. This history, as with other family histories, is haunted by the ghosts of innumerable child deaths, grieved for but missing from the record.\\ 
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 The quality of the photographs vary, largely depending on the original. Don't forget that you can click on any of them to enlarge. And if you have other photographs that help illustrate the family story, please send them to us.\\ The quality of the photographs vary, largely depending on the original. Don't forget that you can click on any of them to enlarge. And if you have other photographs that help illustrate the family story, please send them to us.\\
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 ==== I'm a member of the family: why aren't I or my parents named? ==== ==== I'm a member of the family: why aren't I or my parents named? ====
-It's because you are alive, so that's the good news! We haven't given details of living people or their parents due to the possibility of identity thief. We have written a considerable amount about the parents of the oldest M-P generationbut this is only available to the immediate family. +It's because you are alive, so that's the good news! We haven't given details of living people or their parents due to the possibility of identity thief. We have written a considerable amount about these latest generations which is available to the immediate family.  
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 +==== Thomas M-Ps ==== 
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 +A glance at the sidebar of this family history reveals one of the most remarkable aspects of this line of the Murray-Priors: the tradition of naming the eldest son Thomas. It started with the Prior familywith the first known Thomas Prior living in the early 1300s, as described in [[priors_in_england|]]. Some 300 years later, another Thomas Prior moved to Ireland and, with his son Thomas, established the family there - see [[priors_in_ireland_1636-c.1803]]. The most famous in the family, another [[thomas_prior_m-p_family_founder|Thomas (Tom) Prior ]], left a will which ensured his nephew changed his surname from Murray to Prior. He did, but did all he could to ensure the Murrays were not forgotten. After that, there was a John and an Andrew Murray Prior, then Thomas Murray Prior, born in 1773. \\ 
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 +Since that Thomas was born in 1773, there has been an unbroken line of elder surviving sons called Thomas. Perhaps as remarkable, given the past's high infant mortality, is that all those Thomases survived to reach adulthood and have a son Thomas. It is a tradition that has resulted in nine generations of an unbroken line of Thomas Priors/Murray-Priors\\ 
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