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| Like her sisters, she was educated at the elite school in the Eastern Suburbs of Sydney,{{http://www.ascham.nsw.edu.au/a-strong-history/|Ascham}}.((Miss Wallis, Headmistress to Mrs M-P, n.d. provenance: Jill Fleming; //Ascham Remembered 1886-1986//, Sydney Fine Arts Press, 1986.))\\ | Like her sisters, she was educated at the elite school in the Eastern Suburbs of Sydney,{{http://www.ascham.nsw.edu.au/a-strong-history/|Ascham}}.((Miss Wallis, Headmistress to Mrs M-P, n.d. provenance: Jill Fleming; //Ascham Remembered 1886-1986//, Sydney Fine Arts Press, 1986.))\\ |
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| In 1910, Florette married Sydney (Sid) Charles Edgar Herring; his sister Estella married Florette's step-uncle, [[five_children|Robert Sterling M-P]]. Sid Herring was an estate agent at Gladesville, and distinguished himself during World War I, rising to the rank of Brigadier General.(({{http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/herring-sydney-charles-edgar-6651}})) Florette followed him when he went overseas, with a number of their letters at the time surviving.((Provenance: Jill Fleming)) She engaged in volunteer war work, with Max Barton writing in 1917 that he thought she was assisting (in what capacity it is not known) at a hospital in Harrow (England).(([[https://maxandtonybartonww1lettershome.wordpress.com/|R.A. Barton letter]])) \\ | In 1910, Florette married Sydney (Syd) Charles Edgar Herring; his sister Estella married Florette's step-uncle, Robert Sterling M-P. Sid Herring was an estate agent at Gladesville((his father Gerald was the second Mayor of Ryde. The family home at (now Asburn Place) Gladeville was called Bracondale, after a historic locality in the city of Norwich, England, where members of the Herring family lived, see online //Norwick Guide and Directory// 1842.)) and distinguished himself during World War I, rising to the rank of Brigadier General.(({{http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/herring-sydney-charles-edgar-6651}})) Florette followed him when he went overseas, with a number of their letters at the time surviving.((Provenance: Jill Fleming)) She engaged in volunteer war work, with Max Barton writing in 1917 that he thought she was assisting (in what capacity it is not known) at a hospital in Harrow (England).(([[https://maxandtonybartonww1lettershome.wordpress.com/|R.A. Barton letter]])) She took her little daughter Diana with her overseas, first to Cairo then England.))\\ |
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| {{ :florette_m-p.jpg?200|}} The photo is of the young Florette.((Provenance: J. Godden to Jill Fleming.)) \\ | {{ :florette_m-p.jpg?200|}} The photo is of the young Florette.((Provenance: J. Godden to Jill Fleming.)) \\ |
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| Florette strong-mindedness tended to be viewed with alarm, if not hostility, by the younger male members of the family. Nora M-P's nephew R.A. (Max) Barton was very sociable when on leave in London during World War I, but complained each time he felt duty-bound to visit Florette. That she campaigned (in the UK) for women's suffrage did not help him view her any more favourably, writing after one visit in 1917 that he'd 'listened to the success of her suffragette campaign in Ireland till I was sick ... I was quite relieved to hear that Mrs Herring had, on receipt of report of above mentioned campaigns told her not to be a fool and to waste her time on such rubbish.' (([[https://maxandtonybartonww1lettershome.wordpress.com/|Max and Tony Barton WWI letters 4 April 1917]])) Presumably 'Mrs Herring' was her mother-in-law. After the war, she continued to be viewed with trepidation partly because she was an energetic organiser of social events((E.S.M-P., pers. com.)) - the steely resolve evident in this childhood photo did not leave her! Her husband Sid appears more sympathetic with their wartime letters indicating that they enjoyed a happy marriage.\\ | Florette strong-mindedness tended to be viewed with alarm, if not hostility, by the younger male members of the family. Nora M-P's nephew R.A. (Max) Barton was very sociable when on leave in London during World War I, but complained each time he felt duty-bound to visit Florette. That she campaigned (in the UK) for women's suffrage did not help him view her any more favourably, writing after one visit in 1917 that he'd 'listened to the success of her suffragette campaign in Ireland till I was sick ... I was quite relieved to hear that Mrs Herring had, on receipt of report of above mentioned campaigns told her not to be a fool and to waste her time on such rubbish.' ((https://maxandtonybartonww1lettershome.wordpress.com/|Max and Tony Barton WWI letters 4 April 1917.)) Presumably 'Mrs Herring' was her mother-in-law. After the war, she continued to be viewed with trepidation partly because she was an energetic organiser of social events((E.S.M-P., pers. com.)) - the steely resolve evident in this childhood photo did not leave her! Her husband Syd appears more sympathetic with their wartime letters indicating that they enjoyed a happy marriage.\\ |
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| Sid and Florette's only child, a talented singer, was christened Florette Ruth Diana but always known as Diana (23 October 1911- 5 November 1993). In 1947, Diana married, secondly, Brian Fleming. They had two girls and a son Robert Brian Edgar Fleming (2 February 1951 - 5 June 2012). Brian Fleming documented his wife's family history; photos and documents from his collection have been used in this history. \\ | Syd and Florette's only child, a talented singer, was christened Florette Ruth Diana but always known as Diana (23 October 1911- 5 November 1993). In 1947, Diana married, secondly, Brian Fleming. They had two girls and a son Robert Brian Edgar Fleming (2 February 1951 - 5 June 2012). Brian Fleming documented his wife's family history; photos and documents from his collection have been used in this history. \\ |
| For other photos, click on [[Florette]] | For other photos, click on [[Florette]] |
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| 2. **Mabel** Penelope, M.A., Ch.M.(Sydney University) 10 September((Tom A. M-P's family tree has September as does Robert M-P, //The Blood Royal of the Murray-Prior//s, p.14 and ‘Questions to be answered by T.L.M-P’, 6pp Memoranda by the Herald Office, Somerset House, London re Burke’s Colonial Gentry; Queensland births, 1881, entry C3011 has November)) - 9 January 1932. She was born at Ipswich, perhaps on the property that, in 1880 at least, was owned by her grandfather TLM-P: Pullen, Moreton, Ipswich((H. Mortimer Franklyn, //A glance at Australia in 1880// at [[https://play.google.com/books/reader?id=QgRLAQAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&output=reader&hl=en&pg=GBS.PR1]])). She was baptised at Ipswich by the Rev. Mr Heath.((‘Questions to be answered by T.L.M-P’, 6pp Memoranda by the Herald Office, Somerset House, London re Burke’s Colonial Gentry. When reporting her death (with a number of inaccuracies), the //Daily Telegraph// 21 January 1932, p.15 stated that she was born at her parents' Bulli Bulli station in western Queensland.)) Her Sydney University records states that she went to school, presumably as a boarder, at {{http://www.ascham.nsw.edu.au/a-strong-history/|Ascham}}.\\ | 2. **Mabel** Penelope, M.A., Ch.M.(Sydney University) 10 September((Tom A. M-P's family tree has September as does Robert M-P, //The Blood Royal of the Murray-Prior//s, p.14 and ‘Questions to be answered by T.L.M-P’, 6pp Memoranda by the Herald Office, Somerset House, London re Burke’s Colonial Gentry; Queensland births, 1881, entry C3011 has November)) - 9 January 1932. She was born at Ipswich, perhaps on the property that, in 1880 at least, was owned by her grandfather TLM-P: Pullen, Moreton, Ipswich((H. Mortimer Franklyn, //A glance at Australia in 1880// at [[https://play.google.com/books/reader?id=QgRLAQAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&output=reader&hl=en&pg=GBS.PR1]])). She was baptised at Ipswich by the Rev. Mr Heath.((‘Questions to be answered by T.L.M-P’, 6pp Memoranda by the Herald Office, Somerset House, London re Burke’s Colonial Gentry. When reporting her death (with a number of inaccuracies), the //Daily Telegraph// 21 January 1932, p.15 stated that she was born at her parents' Bulli Bulli station in western Queensland.)) Her Sydney University records states that she went to school, presumably as a boarder, at {{http://www.ascham.nsw.edu.au/a-strong-history/|Ascham}}.\\ |
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| A young, somewhat idealised Mabel (to get better copy)((Provenance: Jill Fleming)) {{:mabel_m-p.jpg?200|}}\\ | A young, somewhat idealised Mabel (to get better copy) {{:mabel_m-p.jpg?200|}} {{:mabel_mp_horse.jpg?300|}}((Provenance both photos: Jill Fleming))\\ |
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| An obituary published by the Women's College at the University of Sydney outlines her chequered academic career.((see also Women's College, Calendar, 1910 p.20 and 1919, p.?.)) She was the 41st student to enter the Women's College in 1899 while she studied for an Arts degree. She left after a year with second class honours in French. She returned to the University in 1903 to study medicine; it was a time when higher education was still controversial for women, and medicine particularly so. Medicine had a high failure rate and Mabel left, having only completed the third year of the course, in early 1907. She returned in 1911 in an attempt to finish, but left after a term. It is not known what she did then, though she was probably the 'Miss Murray-Prior' who unsuccessfully applied for the position of Superintendent at the Sydney Medical Mission in December 1911. She was not appointed because she was not medically qualified.((Sydney Medical Mission, minutes, 18 December 1911, Dixson Library (SLNSW), MS218.))\\ | An obituary published by the Women's College at the University of Sydney outlines her chequered academic career.((see also Women's College, Calendar, 1910 p.20 and 1919, p.?.)) She was the 41st student to enter the Women's College in 1899 while she studied for an Arts degree. She left after a year with second class honours in French. She returned to the University in 1903 to study medicine; it was a time when higher education was still controversial for women, and medicine particularly so. Medicine had a high failure rate and Mabel left, having only completed the third year of the course, in early 1907. She returned in 1911 in an attempt to finish, but left after a term. It is not known what she did then, though she was probably the 'Miss Murray-Prior' who unsuccessfully applied for the position of Superintendent at the Sydney Medical Mission in December 1911. She was not appointed because she was not medically qualified.((Sydney Medical Mission, minutes, 18 December 1911, Dixson Library (SLNSW), MS218.))\\ |
| 3. **Thomas Bertram**, b. 4 February 1883. See sidebar for separate entry. \\ | 3. **Thomas Bertram**, b. 4 February 1883. See sidebar for separate entry. \\ |
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| 4. **Ethel** Nora, 1 December 1884 - 1959. She was born at Moonbago Station, South Kennedy, Bully Creek, a station owned, at least in 1880, by her grandfather TLM-P.(('Questions to be answered by T.L.M-P’, 6pp Memoranda by the Herald Office, Somerset House, London re Burke’s Colonial Gentry; H. Mortimer Franklyn, //A glance at Australia in 1880//)). She was baptised at All Saints Church of England, Brisbane.(('Questions to be answered by T.L.M-P’, 6pp Memoranda by the Herald Office, Somerset House, London re Burke’s Colonial Gentry.)) She married William Royston (Roy) Butler in 1909((Qld Marriage registration B7898)) and lived at 'Staghurst', Toogoolawah. They had five children: Bertram 1918-43, William (Bill) 1912-71, married Elizabeth (Betty) Munroe, and had 3 children; Florence, 1914-63, married C.H.(Harry) Percy and had 2 children; Douglas (1916-76); and Pauline (25 June 1923 -??, married Ken Cunningham and had 3 children).((T. A. M-P, Murray-Prior family, 2014.))\\ | 4. **Ethel** Nora, 1 December 1884 - 1959. She was born at Moonbago Station, South Kennedy, Bully Creek, a station owned, at least in 1880, by her grandfather TLM-P.(('Questions to be answered by T.L.M-P’, 6pp Memoranda by the Herald Office, Somerset House, London re Burke’s Colonial Gentry; H. Mortimer Franklyn, //A glance at Australia in 1880//)). She was baptised at All Saints Church of England, Brisbane.(('Questions to be answered by T.L.M-P’, 6pp Memoranda by the Herald Office, Somerset House, London re Burke’s Colonial Gentry.))\\ |
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| | Ethel married William Royston (Roy) Butler in 1909((Qld Marriage registration B7898)) This photo is of her as a bride.((Provenance: Jill Fleming)) {{:ethel_bride.jpg?300|}}\\ |
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| | Ethel and Roy lived at 'Staghurst', Toogoolawah and had five children: |
| | Bertram 1918-43, William (Bill) 1912-71, married Elizabeth (Betty) Munroe, and had 3 children;\\ |
| | Florence, 1914-63, married C.H.(Harry) Percy and had 2 children; \\ |
| | Douglas (1916-76); and \\ |
| | Pauline (25 June 1923 -??, married Ken Cunningham and had 3 children).((T.A. M-P, Murray-Prior family, 2014.))\\ |
| {{:1901_colour_enhanced.jpeg?400|}} On the back of this photo is written that it shows a surprise party to wish Ethel a happy Xmas and glad new year, Xmas 1901. The old woman in the centre is understood to be Mary Bundock.((Provenance: T.A.& M.T. M-P. **Needs re-scanning**))\\ | {{:1901_colour_enhanced.jpeg?400|}} On the back of this photo is written that it shows a surprise party to wish Ethel a happy Xmas and glad new year, Xmas 1901. The old woman in the centre is understood to be Mary Bundock.((Provenance: T.A.& M.T. M-P. **Needs re-scanning**))\\ |
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| Ethel appears to have been musical like her sister Florette. She went to the trouble of binding her music together in a volume embossed with her name 'E. Butler'. On this sample page, she wrote her name and 'New York 1907', suggesting she obtained it there. {{:ethel_music.jpg?250|}}((Provenance: T.A. & M.T. M-P))\\ | Ethel appears to have been musical like her sister Florette. She went to the trouble of binding her music together in a volume embossed with her name 'E. Butler'. On this sample page, she wrote her name and 'New York 1907', suggesting she obtained it there. {{:ethel_music.jpg?250|}}((Provenance: T.A. & M.T. M-P))\\ |
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| 5. **Phyllis** Claudia 23 July 1886 - 1957. She was born at Maroon Station and baptised at All Saints Church of England, Brisbane by the Rev. M Robinson.(('Questions to be answered by T.L.M-P’, 6pp Memoranda by the Herald Office, Somerset House, London re Burke’s Colonial Gentry)). She and Edgar Cannon McConnel married in 1909((Qld marriage registration C892)) and lived for most of their marriage on the McConnel family property [[http://cressbrookstation.com.au/history/|Cressbrook]], near [[wp>/Toogoolawah|Toogoolawah]] in south-west Queensland. Edgar McConnel was an outstanding horseman and helped train the Australian Light Horsemen during World War I.(([[http://cressbrookstation.com.au/the-mcconnel-family-cressbrook-today/]])) Noted anthropologist, [[wiki>Ursula_McConnel|Ursula McConnel]], was Edgar McConnel's sister, and thus became Mary M-P's (Thomas de M. M-P's 2nd wife, as outlined below) step-niece: different generations of anthropologists of Aboriginal life connected to the one family. Phyllis and Edgar had 4 children: Duncan, Elizabeth, Margaret and Helen (later Cook) McConnel. Duncan had three children and Helen Cook two.\\ | 5. **Phyllis** Claudia 23 July 1886 - 1957. She was born at Maroon Station and baptised at All Saints Church of England, Brisbane by the Rev. M Robinson.(('Questions to be answered by T.L.M-P’, 6pp Memoranda by the Herald Office, Somerset House, London re Burke’s Colonial Gentry)). She and Edgar Cannon McConnel married in 1909((Qld marriage registration C892)) and lived for most of their marriage on the McConnel family property [[http://cressbrookstation.com.au/history/|Cressbrook]], near [[wp>/Toogoolawah|Toogoolawah]] in south-west Queensland. Edgar McConnel was an outstanding horseman and helped train the Australian Light Horsemen during World War I.(([[http://cressbrookstation.com.au/the-mcconnel-family-cressbrook-today/]])) Noted anthropologist, [[wiki>Ursula_McConnel|Ursula McConnel]], was Edgar McConnel's sister, and thus became Mary M-P's (Thomas de M. M-P's 2nd wife, as outlined below) step-niece: different generations of anthropologists of Aboriginal life connected to the one family. Phyllis and Edgar had 4 children: Duncan, Elizabeth, Margaret and Helen (married name Cook) McConnel. Duncan had three children and Helen Cook two.\\ |
| {{:phyllis_ethel_mp.jpeg?250|}} The two younger sisters.((Provenance T.A. & M.T. M-P))\\ | {{:phyllis_ethel_mp.jpeg?250|}} The two younger sisters.((Provenance: T.A. & M.T. M-P)) Phyllis when older.((Provenance: Jill Fleming)) {{:phyllis.jpg?300|}} |
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